Mad Catz R.A.T. 8+ Adjustable Wired Gaming Mouse - 16000 DPI - 11 Programmable Buttons - 4 User Profiles Stored Directly - Customize RGB LED - Additional Palm Rests and Pinky Supports - Black

My last mouse was a Steel Series Rival 500. Steel Series has decided to turn their drivers into a massive marketing portal. You have to create an account on their website and "Log Into" Steel Series in order to use their drivers. Plus they started injecting advertisements onto the desktop. Yeah. Ergo, I am ejecting Steel Series out of my PC. See yah. I found this Mad Catz mouse and it seems to be wide enough (skinny mice give me cramps) and have enough buttons for me, so I ordered it. I'm so sad I didn't upgrade to this mouse long ago. First really really really cool thing about this mouse, is that it doesn't use any special drivers. You read that right. It's automatically seen as a standard HID device by windows. It's hidden super power is that it carries it's configuration and processing on-board the mouse. Not on your PC. Meaning if you moved this to another PC or other device, it will still behave exactly the same. So how it pulls off this trick; It has four profile memory slots. They are: Black, Red, Blue, and purple. There is a dedicated (unmappable) button to toggle through the four profiles. You don't have to use all four profiles if you don't need them. But you can. This is where your configurations live, on the mouse itself. The software that comes with this (download from Mad Catz) is a configuration editor. Now it takes a bit to wrap your head around this, and there are no instructions or help files. *sigh* But here's how it works. The editor has (unlimited?) profiles that you can create or edit. When you get it how you want, you choose which mouse profile you want to "apply" to (Black, Red, Blue, Purple). I find it works best if you manually put the mouse into the profile mode (example "Red"), then create a profile named "Red" in the editor, and apply it to the second slot with the editor. It's sorta janky and it's not explained that the editor itself has profiles, and the mouse has slots, and you can flash any profile to any memory slot on the mouse. It's a little buggy, but once you get it and grasp the concept, the power behind it becomes apparent. The downside of flashing a mouse with a config (or set of configs) is that there is no software running on your PC to auto-select a profile when you boot up a particular game. I have two profiles I use, one for desktop (Black) and one for gaming (Red), my blue and purple profiles aren't used yet. I might find a game someday that need a radically different setup, and I'll use the blue or purple. I won't delve into all the settings and macros you can create and so forth. You can do pretty much any setup that any modern mouse can do. DPI settings, remap buttons, setup a sniping button, assign key combos. It's all there. This is it. The Holy Grail of gaming mice. Better than my old Logitech G700s, better than my Steel Series Rival 500. You can change the weight, the length, the grippiness, it comes with a slew of replaceable grip panels and has a wrench for adjustments built right into the rear. I mean seriously, how has this mouse not set the gaming world on fire? I can only speculate that the lack of documentation means some users can't get a good grasp on it's configuration. The separation of editor with it's profiles and the flashable memory slots on the mouse itself is never explained anywhere. Finally, I've read where someone claimed the mouse had lag, but I've measured it to less than .006 seconds, and since human response time runs around .200 seconds, this isn't factor at all. It's as fast or faster than any mouse I've ever seen. So there you go. That's it. I love this mouse. It's has features no other mouse has, and for less than $100, it's a total steal.

Great customization. The pinky rest is a game changer only wish it was longer as, for those of us with large hands, the palm tends to rest off of the mouse and creates a bit of drag

Have been using this brand for over a decade. It is a HEAVY, precise mouse that does not jitter around the mousepad because of your wrist pulse is moving it. THIS MODEL ALSO INCLUDES ALL THE RIGHT SIDE PINKY RESTS AND CHANGEABLE PALM RESTS AS THE +8ADV!! Unlike FAR too many mice (Cosair) you don't need professional setup experience to use the key mapping or any other software, which does not interfere with my Razer keyboard OR keypad! I like the weight adjust and lead screw left thumbpad adjust as well as the palm rest fore and aft adjust, with replaceable palm rests for more height. Have a person with a large hand and another with a small hand both using their own zeroed in mouse physical and software settings with great performance for both! The only other mouse in the 'Adult' weight class I've ever used was a Razer Ouroboros, But Razer went Flimsey like Logitech, so I've parted with those brands. I'm just glad somone resurrected this brand!!

I love this mouse. I'm on my 4th one after 15 years, and each one lasts me 5 years exactly. It gets heavy use with daily gaming and internet browsing, so that longevity is good enough for me. The R.A.T. 8+ perfectly suits my claw grip style and is comfortable for my small hands. It's flat profile, short body (with palm rest all the way in) and weight are difficult to find anywhere else. It's simply the best.

This mouse can be customized under your hand so that hand will not experience any discomfort! Big hand? No problem! Long fingers? Not a problem either! Very good sensor, excellent performance, the lights are beyond praise. A mouse click is simply divine. You can configure many macros for almost every button. Very confortable profile of DPI indicator. Very pleased with the sniper button. Already tried it in Photoshop and PlanetSide 2 (set up a voice chat for it) - everything is just super! Did not like: 1. Teflon legs. This is just disgusting! Have you ever tried a mouse on aluminum legs in your life? Try it! And after that you will never be able to normally look at any mouse with teflon legs! As a result, I could not come to terms with this horror and disassembled my old Bloody TL7, removed from RAT8+ all teflon legs and put aluminum legs instead. And it's just divine! The mouse soars above the work surface! 2. Inconvenient stand under the ring finger and little finger. With this stand, I do not feel the mouse at all. I think the manufacturer should make another version of the stand like the TL7. It is ideal in all senses: the finger rests, and the hand gets more control over the mouse. This is very important in shooters! 3. Too easy to spin the mouse wheel. It is so easy that I am very much afraid of touch it. If it were scrolling a little harder, there would be nothing to complain about. Summarize: I am very pleased with my purchase. Do I advise this mouse? Yes! But only if instead of disgusting teflon legs you can find aluminum. Then, and only then, this purchase will not disappoint you at all!

The RAT series of mice have long been my go-to. They are the only ones that fit comfortably in my (rather large) hands. It's the most adjustable mouse on the market & perfect if you can't find a gaming mouse that's comfortable. I love the weights as well, I like a heavy mouse & I added extra weights from my old mouse. The thumb & pinky rests are a game-changer, it's so nice not to be dragging your fingers along while playing. The side-scroll wheel has become indispensable to me. I use it as a volume wheel & having that functionality literally at my fingertips is amazing. The RAT 8+ feels higher quality in basically every way compared to the 7. All the buttons & scroll wheels feel good, the rubberization is so nice on the hand, all the interchangeable parts attach completely solidly. It's a bit on the pricey side, but at least in my case this is the last mouse I'll ever buy, and since the quality is there I have no complaints.

So lets begin by saying that I have been a big fan of the side scrolling wheel. It adds a new level of control for PC games and even some creativity software like adobe photoshop. However, I've encountered one serious issue with this mouse. keep reading for a full review and personal experience. Lets begin with construction. Its sturdy and well made. The fact that you can switch parts (which are included) is an amazing touch that I wish other companies would get on board. The terminator look is second to none and its ability to adapt is unparalleled but not everything is perfect. I like gripping my mouse like a claw. Which means I have an arch on my hand when gripping the mouse, this mouse is fairly flat which makes it a little uncomfortable. This is however subjective so it may not apply to you. The button configuration is so-so, I dont like the size of the sniper button (if you don't know by now, this button dramatically reduces the sensitivity of the mouse while you hold it down), its so small that it feels like you have a pebble on the middle of your thumb. Had it been rounder and wider it would have been much better, without a doubt. The other side buttons are very flat and thin, slit-like (mouse button 4 and 5). They are serviceable and not terrible but again, I wish they felt more ergonomic to the hand. All buttons however, do provide a very clear and concise feedback when you click them. I did in fact like that, but I wish the buttons were better shaped and sized. Im no designer but it could have been better, 100%. Alright lets get to the point now. The clicks, though very flat sounding with immediate feedback and low travel sometimes do not register as well as the buttons. I cannot figure out why but it was costing alot of losses in popular titles such as Warzone and Warhammer Space Marine 2. At first, I thought it was me not reacting quickly and with the regular level of dexterity and accuracy. But I was wrong. It was the mouse, proven after I switched back to my older Razer mouse (the excellent Basilisk 3). I was dominating again, my reflexes were good and I was back at 1st place on the leaderboard. Clearly, it was the mouse. Rat 8+ at its high price tag is absolute garbage. It does not provide the proper value for the money. I cannot stress that enough. I suspect its a quality control issue (software) that cannot be remedied by tinkering with it. It saddens me that I paid so much for such substandard product. It fails at its most basic function. Now, you may say that I have a lemon. I simply got unlucky and got a pretty bad one out of the factory. Perhaps, but this isnt my first MadCatz R.A.T. mouse. My previous one also suffered a similar fate.. but towards the end of its life. Same delayed reaction problems or no reactions at all. I wanted a new one simply because I felt that the side scrolling wheel was a game changer. Perhaps when someone comes up with a better one for gaming.. but as of right now I cannot recommend this pile of... *ahem*. Skip!

I used to use the Saitec Cyborg R.A.T. mice and was very happy with them except that they needed an explicit X config (in some /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*.conf file with a 「Section "InputClass"」) to tweak one button that didn't generate an "up" event IIRC, and the mouse wheels on most of them would *eventually* start glitching with extra or missing rotation events. In contrast the R.A.T. 8+ I have now did NOT require any special config and is instead picked up immediately by X (log line: "config/udev: Adding input device Mad Catz Global MADCATZ R.A.T. 8+ gaming mouse"). I haven't had them long enough to judge mouse rotation longevity yet, but if that one past issue has been solved then this mouse or near variations will probably be the only kind I buy for many years to come. The horizontal scroll wheel is quite nice in webpages and so on, although I've added multiplier to make it quicker in Firefox, in about:config mousewheel.system_scroll_override.* --- If anyone still has one of the older ones, or one of these isn't recognized, the config stanzas resemble this, where 0 is disabling a button. Section "InputClass" Identifier "rat9" # "Saitec Cyborg R.A.T.9" MatchUSBID "06a3:0cfa" Driver "evdev" Option "Buttons" "17" Option "ButtonMapping" "1 2 3 4 5 0 0 8 9 7 6 12 0 0 0 16 17" Option "AutoReleaseButtons" "13 14 15" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection

Tengo el RATT 7 desde hace más de 5 años y sigue perfecto, así que me decidí a comprar una versión más nueva, el RATT 8 para otra PC. En diseño es idéntico, con la adición de luces RGB y software actualizado. PROS: El diseño ergonómico, personalizable, fácil de instalar, software x64 y x86, CONTRAS: Algunas piezas que antes eran de metal ahora son de plástico, incluye solo 3 (antes eran 5) compensadores de peso adicionales,

Ergonomi canavarı bu mouse hep istemiştim Amazon un yurtdışı alım imkanları sayesinde nasip oldu. İlk bir yadırgadım sonra bağımlısı oldum. Serçe parmak çıkıntılı takımla kullanıyorum mousepad e sürtmemesi parmğın benim için iyi artı. Yazılımı sorunsuz ve tüm tuşlar özelleştirilebilir durumda sana her türlü ergonomik imkanı verdiğinden ah elime oturmadı diyeceğin bir duruma düşmüyorsun. Ses halkası olması üzerinde gerçekten en büyük ve pratikleştiren ayrıcalıklarından biri. Alt bölümü metal üst bölümü sert plastik. Eski sözde pahalı ve meşhur markadan olan mouse um çok seri şekilde aşınmıştı bunu ise 6 aydır kullanıyorum hala ilk günki gibi. Oyundan ziyade video kurgu için kullanıyorum ve gerekli hassasiyeti bana sunduğu için ayriyeten mutluyum.

Got it for my friend son, who by the way likes it.

This is a fantastic gaming mice, I mean RAT. The build quality is oustanding, it works very well for gaming and productivity. It's a bit heavier than I thought, even without the weights. I would not recomend for FPS unless you really enjoy heavy mices. Unfortunatelly I have small hands (17cm) and it's not too confortable to click on the scroll whell (middle mouse button). I'll keep the mouse anyway since everything else is very confortable and I like heavy mices for some games. I also bought it with a good discount (35%) If you have medium to large hands and enjoy heavy mices look no further.

I have used Mad Catz R.A.T. Mice for years. I have tried other good quality gaming mice but my R.A.T. Is the best. Love it with all my PC gaming heart.