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Abลซ Ma'shar's book on natal predictive techniques was the product of his old age, and this massive achievement has now been translated from the complete, original Arabic for the first time. This volume contains lengthy instructions and special advice on profections, distributions through the bounds, fardฤrs , transits, solar revolutions, monthly revolutions and profections, the lord of the orb, the Ages of Man, the Indian methods of "ninth-parts," finding favorable and difficult years, and longevity techniques. Abลซ Ma'shar's complex method of monthly revolutions and profections is fascinating and the most complete available. All methods are detailed in a lengthy Introduction by Benjamin Dykes, with tables of selected readings and numerous helpful diagrams. This is a required textbook for Benjamin Dykes's traditional natal astrology course. Persian Nativities IV replaces the partial Latin translation, which was published as Persian Nativities III: On Solar Revolutions. Review: Excelente libro - Un excelente libro, ideal para astrรณlogos avanzados que deseen profundizar en los conceptos de la perspectiva tradicional. No incluye muchos ejemplos. Review: Great book - Great piece of translation by Benjamin Dykes. Really useful.
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A**A
Excelente libro
Un excelente libro, ideal para astrรณlogos avanzados que deseen profundizar en los conceptos de la perspectiva tradicional. No incluye muchos ejemplos.
A**Y
Great book
Great piece of translation by Benjamin Dykes. Really useful.
K**R
A valuable contribution to the traditional astrological literature
This book arrived in today's mail, and since then I've had trouble putting it down. I was familiar with Ben Dykes' translation of the Latin version of Abu Ma'Shar's text, which was based on an incomplete translation of the Arabic text into Latin, and was eagerly awaiting this edition, which is thorough and complete. This new translation from the Arabic adds to and clarifies many of the concepts that were left hanging in the older addition. The book runs some 700 pages, so I haven't had time to go through all of it yet, but the sections I've read are informative and enlightening. There are a couple of things I don't quite understand (yet perhaps). On page 6 in his introductory remarks Dr. Dykes says that Ma'Shar's handling of a criticism about the use of different tables of planetary positions to calculate returns doesn't make sense, yet reading Ma'Shar's words (in this translation) on pages 156-157, it seems to make perfect sense. As I understand it, Ma'Shar is saying that we calculate the radical chart carefully so that we know the exact degree of the natal Ascendant. We then add the length of one tropical year (according to Hiparchus) to the birth chart for each year of life to find the moment of each subsequent revolution. We then use the same tables that we used for the birth chart to calculate the ascending degree of the return. On page 9 of the introductory remarks I found the downward pointing arrow in the diagram about distributions to be a bit confusing. This may be how Ma'Shar conceived of distributions but the fact is that the points between the Asc and the IC rise to the horizon by primary motion as the Earth turns on its axis after birth. The radical Asc doesnot sink down toward the IC after birth. I was a bit dismayed about Dr. Dyke's comments about the lord of the orb. He says that he has never seen an astrologer use this in practice and he advises students to ignore this techique. As an astrologer who routinely uses the lord of the orb as part of the analysis of solar returns, I have found it to be useful and informative. In many ways the lord of the orb acts with respect to the profected ascendant as the partner does with respect to the distributor. This technique is widely known in the Spanish and Italian literature and has been the topic of presentations at astrology conferences for at least the past 5 or 6 years. I myself gave a presentation about the lord of the orb this year at the 36th Iberian Astrologer Congress in San Sebastian. This minor nitpicking points aside, I find this to be a valuable and informative book and I look forward to many more hours of careful study and experimentation with its contents. Any astrologer interested in traditional methods should get a copy and read this book.
A**A
Theory not Practicum
I wont trash this with a negative review. It was just not for me or what I was looking for. I had high hopes for the chapter on monthly solar returns as I have dabbled with quarterly returns. When I finally got to that chapter it combined a annual profections and the differences in time lords. Technically, sure there are many different techniques that may shows differences. That chapter was a mishmash of both. Personally, I didnt care for what Abu did with this. I wanted to see what can be extracted to use in the present. That would have entailed the author stepping in with his writing based on practical usage. Yet, when I started reading the translation portion, I became resigned to book. I understand the book was designed more as a translation of AbuM. I was hoping to see in practical use, not translated theory. This is not to knock BD's work. I can imagine the time and dedication towards this project required hard work. If you are a scholar looking for theory, great. If you are looking to apply this, it didnt help me. There are many books on the market on Solar Returns that focus on just that. I was hoping to fine tune my SR techniques. This book didnt do it for me.
F**E
Complicado
No dudo que esta traducciรณn podrรญa ser el trabajo de toda una vida y tampoco dudo que leerlo y entenderlo y ponerlo en prรกctica serรญa tambiรฉn el trabajo de toda una vida del lector. No hay tiempo para dedicarle toda una vida a un libro. Estoy seguro, que Benjamรญn Dykes, con toda su experiencia escribirรญa un trabajo sobre tรฉcnicas adivinatorias maravilloso basado en revoluciones solares y otras tรฉcnicas de la antigรผedad. Pero este libro es muy complicado y difรญcil de leer por su presentaciรณn. Esperarรฉ un libro prรกctico y muchรญsimo mรกs corto por Benjamin Dykes, autor que admiro, y que estoy seguro que seria mucho mรกs esclarecedor
L**R
Un trรจs bon ouvrage traduit par Benjamin Dykes
Je suis Ben Dykes depuis ses premiรจres traductions de Bonnari et nul doute que son travail de restitution dโanciens traitรฉs est remarquable ร plus dโun titre. Dans cette nouvelle et complรจte traduction dโAbu Mashar sur les techniques prรฉvisionnelles anciennes, Dykes a pris un soin tout particulier dans lโรฉcriture dโune introduction claire sur ces mรฉthodes qui permet une lecture plus aisรฉe. Du trรจs beau travail qui devrait intรฉresser tout astrologue intรฉressรฉ par lโastrologie prรฉvisionnelle Un heureux complรฉment aussi aux ouvrages publiรฉs en par Denis Labourรฉ sur le mรชme thรจme, pour ceux qui lisent lโanglais et, disons-le, le propos de Ben est trรจs intelligible. Manque รฉvidemment, car cโest la traduction dโun ouvrage ancien, des exemples de cas qui nous permettraient de jauger la validitรฉ du corpus prรฉsentรฉ, comme les retours mensuels du Soleil de signe ร signe ร partir de la rรฉvolution solaire
C**N
Excelente
Excelente seguimiento del vendedor
P**R
Illustrious and Eminent translation
Abu Ma'shar's "On the Revolutions of the years of the nativities" is the single most comprehensive treatise on annual preditive astrology from the Hellenistic and Medieval astrological traditions. It is a shame that this work didn't come out very early but Ben Dykes,as always makes yet another significant contribution to the astrological community in terms of reviving ancient and medieval astrological texts. This is a scholarly translation with a strong foundation in the form of "Introduction" written by Ben Dykes himself which is almost a special feature in all of his books now. This is a must have treatise if an astrologer is interested in advanced annual predictive methods.
D**N
Major work on predictive astrology
This is a replacement for Persian Nativities 3: a translation from the full, Arabic text of this work rather than from the Latin version of an abridged text translated into Greek. If you have Persian Nativities 3, this is not an essential purchase, for apart from the chapter on transits through the signs, the extra material is mostly being little-known techniques that Abu Mashar felt it interesting to record. This is certainly the best medieval textbook on natal prediction. The Latin version came too late, for Europeans like Bonatti had patched together an approach from references in introductory works and books on natal interpretation. That meant that they used directions, returns, and transits but with no real understanding of how these related to each other. Morin thought highly of this work and it influenced his own practice. He ignored Abu Mashar's additional use of firdaria and profections, rightly so in my experience. But if you want to test them for yourself, this book will show you how. Dykes cannot be called a good translator. The task requires three things: command of the source language, background knowledge, and ability to express the meaning of the text in the target language. Dykes certainly has a command of Arabic: I've compared a couple of his translations with other versions. He doesn't always have enough background knowledge: he was clearly learning on the job, but by this stage he is better informed. He certainly cannot render the content in acceptable English, often replacing accepted terms by literal rendering of the original.
D**A
a must have
One of the most importante books for those who wants to understand deeply how to use the solar returns, profections and the ancient techniques on astrology. This is an extension from Benjamin Dykes first translation "Persian Nativities III. On Solar Revolutions".
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